TheGabber Tubbs
11/1 
As the rightfull owner of "Populous: Reincarnated", i am going to release the sourcecode of the matchmaker to anyone who is willing to help me take back the service which is now stolen from me by a person i once considered "friend" and trusted to maintain the service i once started.
Im talking about the thief called Incawarrior, if you are willing to help me steal back the things he has stolen from me, dont hesitate to contact me here.
If noone wants to help me, i have no other choice but to release the sourcecode to a group of hackers, i rather see the service i once created DESTROYED than it being taken over by a powerhungry monster like Incawarrior who doesnt want to admit that he's not the true founder/owner.

 

Dariusz Jania I'm sorry to see that personal issues of administrators are escalating in popre 
11/1 

TheGabber Tubbs How do you think i feel?..
11/1 

Jasmin Derviševic Well TheGabber Tubbs i want to help you and I already know what happened. I am sorry for that but I am here. You can count on me . Whatever I will know I will try to help you.
11/1 

Waleed Baig How can I help?
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Waleed Baig Seriously MM is always been buggy and I am willing to help if someone can make a better MM. I consider Inca as a reason of slow Populous progression in years...but the game is dead itself....I would help though
11/1 

TheGabber Tubbs What i need is people who are experienced in cracking the matchmaker in a way that inca looses all power over it, also i want popre.net to be unavailable to anyone untill inca finally admits that hes nothing but a silly thief who takes credit for things he never created/realized.

11/1 

Waleed Baig TheGabber Tubbs can't you create a better MM? A new and better MM with improved features...If its better players will leave popre itself
11/1 

TheGabber Tubbs I already offered inca to step back from maintaining the service and do his original job, that is being webmaster of popre.net, and let me find someone else who can do the job at maintaining and programming the mm alot better than him. He refused to take this offer and decided to take over the whole service and lock me out of all the administrating privileges, at this moment im nothing more than a simple user of the service that i once created, and it gives me a very sour taste in my mouth...

 

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TheGabber Tubbs Please do not forget, i am not a programmer, i requested Alacn to realize my ideas, and thus we created the MM together, after Alacn left, we did not have a programmer to continue his work, and this is when i asked inca to become the new programmer, about 5 years ago when i had some IRL issues and couldnt be online much, inca kinda took over and started to work against everything i once started with alacn.
11/1 

Waleed Baig There are some programmers in community like Alex or Brandan
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TheGabber Tubbs Now inca tells ppl that im nothing and he started everything and that he owns popre... you could call this Grand Theft Populous 
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Waleed Baig 
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TheGabber Tubbs Alex and Brandan are not programmers
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Waleed Baig Alex once created his own MM and Brandan is a game developer afaik
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TheGabber Tubbs well, alax i dont know that well, but brandan is just a silly wannabe hacker that knows how to create simple basic programs, fact is he doesnt even know what most of his work actually does, like the "item editor" he recently released...
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Waleed Baig LOL 
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TheGabber Tubbs How can u call urself a programmer, if you create stuff of which u dont even know how it works???
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Waleed Baig and what about PopMS
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TheGabber Tubbs What about it? i already contacted Daroo, its already sad that inca ruined everything to have a cooperation with him...
11/1 

Jasmin Derviševic Wrre u banned TheGabber Tubbs?
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TheGabber Tubbs Nope, i just refuse to come into a service where 75% of all users are cheaters who dont know the difference between right and wrong, and i hate to be in a sevrice that was started by me and is now taken over by some powerhungry monster..
11/1 

Jasmin Derviševic Feels bad 
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TheGabber Tubbs besides, im playing Warlords of Draenor now, and i enjoy it alot since it has almost no cheats, the majority is mature, and the creators actually care about fair gameplay..
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TheGabber Tubbs Theres so much evil in the popre lobby, and "satan" is now sitting on the throne it seems..
11/1 

Waleed Baig Racist people
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TheGabber Tubbs also
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Jasmin Derviševic TheGabber Tubbs that doesn't mean you should give up. I am studying for programmer. In next year I will now mych about programming. But if you want to do something in computer area you need to have knowledge. And if you are interested for that, you csn do it now if you want.
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TheGabber Tubbs As i already stated, im not a programmer 
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TheGabber Tubbs If i was a programmer i wouldnt have posted this request for help..
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Jasmin Derviševic If u were, u should do it too. You can trust others and as group you can reach higher leveles as u think.
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Jasmin Derviševic Like anonymus lol 
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Jasmin Derviševic  *
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TheGabber Tubbs Ofcourse i would lol, thing is i am 37, i have to work for a living and i dont have much time for other things, do you really want me to become a person like inca that only sits in the lobby and doesnt play any game at all just because all hes doing is learning how to program in his free time?
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TheGabber Tubbs Anonymous 
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TheGabber Tubbs Expect Us!
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TheGabber Tubbs Man i would jump a hole in the air if they would assist me with this 
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TheGabber Tubbs Afterall they also stand up for the greater good, all i want is populous to become good again, saved from evil that has corrupted it..
11/1 

Jasmin Derviševic Same man...
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TheGabber Tubbs fun facts: http://web.onetel.com/~lapinskas/

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TheGabber Tubbs check the history, u dont even see incawarrior mentioned in there at all.. shows howmuch work i did in the past with alacn aswell  see if you can find any mention that has Incawarrior in it, his name is nowhere to be found  this is another proof that the service popre was started, founded and in control by me and alacn, not incawarrior.
(New Worlds Team = me and khickman, although Khickman didnt do as much work as i did back then, even though he does deserve credit for his contributions ofcourse)
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TheGabber Tubbs Ok i did find incawarrior, his only contribution back then was making a strategy for 1 map...
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TheGabber Tubbs 19 January 2002 •

•New strategy for All Around the World from IncaWarrior.
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TheGabber Tubbs cdplayer has spoken: 

Re: cdplayer  

Peter@lapinskas.com cdplayer 

11:51 AM 

To: Frank Tubbs 

Hi Frank

Good to hear from you! It's been a lo-o-o-ong time. I still come onto popre most days to look but mostly it's just me and Inca making random posts at the pointless thread in the Team Adept section so you won't have seen much of me around.

I am really sorry to hear that you have had a bust-up with Inca. The site is a wonderful example of the power of fan inventiveness once the originating company loses interest in a game and both of you have played an absolutely central part in making that happen. It takes a lot of work, dedication and time over a very extended period (must be something like 12 years now) so it is very painful to see that potentially ending in tears. So yes, if I can help in anyway to mediate between you and get it all back on the rails, I would be pleased to pitch in. 

If I do, I would try very hard to be even-handed. I have been in contact with Inca much more often and more recently than with you, but we rarely talk about popre or the mm and he has never mentioned that he has been having any issues with you, so I am coming to this without any preconceptions. I also want to emphasise that I have a great respect for the contribution you personally have made.

I had a look at the link that you sent, but I'm not on Facebook (I don't trust their privacy settings) so it won't let me in. If you drop it into a file and send it to me, I'll have a read. However, the important thing is not what has happened in the past, however unpleasant that may have been, but what happens from now on. I'm not a judge and can't impose a solution, and if I were to come out and say that one party was right and the other wrong, that would make no effective difference. All that I can offer is advice and counselling to help you reach a solution between you which you are both able to live with or (best case) that you are happy with - in the end it will come down to whether you are both able to reach an acceptable compromise.

If you would like me to have a try on that basis, let me know and I'll take it up with Inca.
Hope everything else is going well for you IRL.

Kind regards

Peter
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Greg Hansen When it comes right down to it incawarrior doesn't have the right to claim anything branded with the name "Populous Reincarnated" TBH.
13/1 

Henry Hoek I never flinged accusations to your end to begin with, It's just that I've never seen your face, I disagree with the dismantle trick, the devs just forgot to remember the hut status, it's a stupid mistake but divides the lesser good with the better players, it's an action per minute generator, else you would be doing nothing, it's a positive intake into things, blast glitch I do not agree by, and stand fully by your point.
14/1 

TheGabber Tubbs and now can u understand why i want a service which offers people to choose which rules they want to apply? inca simply ignores this and wants people to do whatever he allows or doesnt allow, its selfish actually..
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Henry Hoek Kinda hard to control developmental flaws.
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TheGabber Tubbs No, but you can allow people to set up certain rules for the games they host, its up the the people who join him to agree on them, if they dont than they shouldnt join, simple as that, thats what i suggested aswell, but got rejected.
Also mind how inca did make a rule against G even though i suggested to either make certain rules against all forms of glitches being used as cheats, or dont make any rules at all, you cant expect one player to not use a certain glitch to his advantage when his opponent is already using a different glitch to his advantage.
I also suggested that instead of making a rule against G, why not simply make people use preachers again, since they can prevent the whole G issue as a preacher simply locks all the nearby firewarriors in place once he starts converting them, pressing G in that case would evade the firewarriors from melee combat with the melees which results in them falling under preacher conversion almost instantly, it will even add more "skill requirement" to the game imo...
14/1

TheGabber Tubbs I have also been doing alot of tests with the constant.dat lately, and there is a way to make the game more fair in case of blast glitch and dismantle glitch.
Its possible to increase the "cooldown" of blast by 25-30% and increase its damage it deals by 30-35%, which will not prevent blast glitch 100%, but it will make it less interesting to apply, since it takes abit longer to cast blast but the damage will make it more likely to actually kill the shaman in less than 5 hits.
Since it takes longer to cast blast, the chance to cast it again while in the air will be reduced. 
As you know the blast glitch is applied mostly while in the air, in some cases ive seen it happen while someone never went up in the air and still took 0 damage because he did time it correctly, i dont know if it was intended as it seemed more like luck..

For the dismantle glitch, i suggested to reduce the time it takes to be able to rebuild a damaged hut.
As you know a damaged hut needs a short time to "recover" before braves can actually start repairing it, its not possible to instantly start repairing once the flames vanish.
In the constant this "recovery" time can be reduced to 0, this way the damaged huts can be instantly repaired once the flames in the huts vanish, this will make it more fair for people who just took a massive spell attack (volcano / huts hit by lightning/firestorm, etc) as they can respawn braves abit faster which is exactly the same as dismantle.

In case people dont want to play with blast glitch and/or dismantle, they can set this rule on their hut if they host, and the constant will be changed to apply the "fixes" i suggested before the game is launched, 
Ofcourse all these things would require alot of testing...
This would be a good feature imo, but sadly it wil probably never be applied..
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TheGabber Tubbs
11/1
Incawarrior just made the biggest mistake of his life:
Information
"You have been banned from this board until Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:48 am.
Please contact the Administrators at admins@popre.net for more information
Reason given for ban: Threats against service
A ban has been issued on your username."
I hope everyone can now see what kind of person Incawarrior really is, the lowest lifeform on earth...


 

TheGabber Tubbs If he bans me for "threats against service", service being MY OWN CREATION, doesnt that show how hypocrit he is since he's "stealing and abusing the service", shoudnt I, as the owner of the service, actually be banning him?
11/1 

James Hogg you could try following the rules and not threaten to hack the site in the style of necr0 or Wargle?
11/1 

TheGabber Tubbs I have all te rights to take back what is rightfully mine, populous reincarnated is designed, idealized and created by me, i invited inca to "help" me maintain the service after my associate Alacn could no longer do it, inca simply banished me from my own creation so if he wants to steal my work, i will simply do anything in my power to steal it back.
12/1 

James Hogg "Mine mine mine" you're like a child.

Where were you when all the new MM features were put in? Or all the new maps made? Or when all the user contributions were being beta-tested?...
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TheGabber Tubbs Its not about putting features into it, its about who started and founded it, the person who did that is "THE OWNER", maybe check on wiki what it all means, its like Bill gates who made the basic version of windows and now is being maintained by microsoft, now Bill Gates is mabe not a good example since he sold Windows to MS, and is nowadays only known as the original creator of Windows, but you get the idea i hope, i never sold anything nor did i give incawarrior any consent to simply "take over all the administration rights and banish me from my own service", i only invited him to maintain the work Alacn was doing, i never said he could have populous reincarnated and do with it whatever he wants.
The project leader was me 15 years ago, i worked MONTHS on the designs, logo's, mappacks, layouts for website and forums, everything needed for the whole service of populous reincarnated was a project created entirely by me.
As i wasnt experienced with programming and couldnt realize the ideas i had for the project, i had to recruit programmers to help me realize it, but it still makes me the owner of the project which is now popre..

About contacting Stuart Whyte, i did this because i wanted to show the community that cheating is simply not a good thing in populous, as he stated it ruins the original concept of the game and doesnt make it more fun at all, i can give u a great example with one of the most simple games on earth called checkers, what if ppl were going to use the white squares all of a sudden?
Also, I never became "more angry" when he suggested the seperated lobbies feature, "House Rules" was actually something i suggested as a checkbox on every hut, where checking "house rules" would mean no cheating and no glitching or unchecking the checkbox would mean no rules at all asin "cheat whatever you want", so i dont know what your point is tbh...
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James Hogg It doesn't really matter if you were the original owner. Even if you had your way we'd ALL move to a different domain and leave you alone. And I can place a safe bet as to which one of us would keep the fan base. Especially more so if you've been threatening to bring in criminal hackers. So you may as well stop digging this hole.

And any work you did (for an old layout of the site that isn't up anymore) doesn't give you the excuse to trash the work of others.

"what if ppl were going to use the white squares all of a sudden?"

If people do decide to do that, then you are not at liberty to stop them. That's what "House Rules" really means.
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TheGabber Tubbs Had my way asin? You keep saying things that make no sense, if you create something, and allow someone to "maintain it" it doesnt all of a sudden make him the new owner of your creation does it? 
It wasnt just layout of the site that isnt up anymore, its more than that, i did all the work to get information from the creators of the game on how to create all the things needed for the service, i had to communicate only through emails with 100s of people to start up this project, i really put all efford into getting a team together to realize it all, and like i said i made all the designs like logo's, layout for the matchmaker, layout for the website and forums, features of the service were all my idea in the first place, i made the name "Populous Reincarnated", i created 100s of maps with no more than a hex editor and a basic heightmapping tool... you may think it sounds like nothing, but with "months of work" i litterally ment "months of work counted up alltogether", it actually took several years before the project was at its "completed" state (meaning "the forums, website, matchmaker, editor and mappack downloads all being up and running), maybe you should also bare in mind that i may have done four times as much work on the whole project than inca ever done in his whole life, do not underestimate how hard it was to create a service from scratch, maybe you should try it, inca's worlk is much easier than all the work that me, alacn and the other people who assisted ever done to start the whole service...
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TheGabber Tubbs Tell me, if someone offfers you a job to maintain a service that he owns, one day he asks you to do something which you consider wrong, what would you do? either you quit your job or you can agree to do what he asks you...
If you dont agree with him its a bad thing to try overtrow him and steal his service and banish him from it, this is what inca did...
Inca should have just said farewell when he thought my suggestions were unreasonable, and even if that would have resulted in me ending up alone in my own service than thats my problem, not his and certainly not yours, or is it??
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James Hogg You lost all credibility when you threatened to blow up PopRe with hackers
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TheGabber Tubbs i didnt threaten to blow up popre with hackers, im simply stating that i do not accept it that my service is taken from me, and if inca will not step away from it than i will take drastic measures, this is not between me and the community, this is between me and inca.
12/1 

James Hogg Then what's this?

http://www.popre.net/.../gabber-you-need-to-grow-up...

Populous: Reincarnated - Gabber, you need to grow up.
Just saw this on my FB feed. "How do you think I feel?"...

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James Hogg But you did say "Id rather have PopRe DESTROYED" didn't you?
12/1

TheGabber Tubbs Ok first of all, i cant post anything on popre forums so that makes things even more complicated than it already is, now everyone can have their way on the forums and spread lie after lie about me since they clearly dont know history at all.. 

Just a ...

12/1 

Wilson Ray Inca needs to unban you. I told everyone that regardless of what you say, you are the creator and owner of the matchmaker. It's like owning a business and having people work for you. They cant just take over because they feel like it. They need permission. They cant fire or suspend, etc the owner.
12/1 

TheGabber Tubbs finally someone who understands the meaning of ownership 
12/1 

Wilson Ray Isn't there anything you can do?
12/1 

TheGabber Tubbs i already said what i am going to do..
12/1 

Wilson Ray I'm talking about like being banned wise.
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TheGabber Tubbs no, inca controls everything right now, i have no other choice but to take drastic measures and recreate my service elsewhere..
12/1 

Wilson Ray He says U DNT own the mm
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Wilson Ray He said U only created popre and new worlds
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TheGabber Tubbs What many people may not have noticed yet, even though its been done several years ago whilst i was having my irl issues and couldnt be active on my service, is that inca was already plotting this scheme, if you go to the memberlist of our forums, check the first page and look who the first person (aka the founder) is...
There used to be no such thing as "Root" on that list but while i was inactive, inca added this "joke" to make it look asif i never were the first founder, if you look closely tho you will see that it actually makes no sense since in 1979 there wasnt even php yet, let alone there wasnt even populous 1 and i was just 2 years old...
This should also make a light bulb appear above certain ignorant people's heads tbh..
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TheGabber Tubbs isnt popre the matchmaker, forums, website and everything all together, since when were these things seperate services??
12/1 

Wilson Ray True
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Wilson Ray I said that. I said that without popre, the this specific mm would not be here and that by u creating popre mean u claim right ownership
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TheGabber Tubbs popre is everything all together, the mm was made by alacn as ordered by me (dont wanna sould all army like, dont know how to translate it from dutch) i "asked" alacn to realize the things i had in mind, inca didnt create anything at all, he only added things to the creation, quite simple things actually compared to what was already there in the first place made by me and alacn...
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TheGabber Tubbs i actually have all my old work from 15 years ago, on cd's, as i burned everything i made in order to have backups and proof of me being the actual designer of my work, if you want i can post shitloads of prototype images of the website and matchmaker, this shows that everything you see now comes from ideas that originated in my designs...
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Wilson Ray U should do that. So everyone can see and understand
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Wilson Ray Everyone seems to be against U
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Wilson Ray For some reason
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TheGabber Tubbs its because people tend to believe people who spread lies to make themselves look like better people, its called hypocracy...
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TheGabber Tubbs just look at the post i made with the quote from fireproof...
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TheGabber Tubbs and like i said, i always though this was quite a reasonable person with straight forwards comments that really made sense... think about all the people who still think this way about his posts 
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TheGabber Tubbs but seems i was wrong about him...
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TheGabber Tubbs What would really be ideal at this moment, is words from alacn and 1/4lb tbh, as these 2 people were the first people i invited to help me create popre... atleast they can tell howmuch work the 3 of us did together back in the days, they can also tell ...Ver mais
12/1 

James Hogg You've shown Inca zero gratitude for keeping the service running.

Instead, you want to burn it down. And expect sympathy?

As far as I can see Inca has not hacked the site to rip apart YOUR contributions.
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TheGabber Tubbs Why should i show grattitude for something i never asked for, i never asked inca to claim all my property and banish me from it did i?
I was always thankfull for his maintaining the service, but taking it over and banishing me from it was something i never expected him to do, so what other choice do i have but to forcefully retake that which belongs rightfully to me?
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TheGabber Tubbs The "company" fact posted by Wilson Ray is the perfect example tbh, an employee of a company should never be able to fire the company owner, if they do find some way to do it by force than the employee is performing an illegal action, this is exactly what inca did..
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James Hogg Well as I've said even if you did get what you want and had PopRe back, everybody would just move to a new site under Inca.

You know, the guy who actually does stuff to keep it going.
12/1 

TheGabber Tubbs Have you ever thought about how the mm may have looked like if we had 4 times as much programmers working on it than inca alone?
Trust me the place would be alot better than it is right now, problem is i am currently no longer in control of my own service since inca is blocking all my actions, how can i do anything for the service at all this way????
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TheGabber Tubbs If it was up to me, there would be more programmers on the mm already years ago, but since inca is greedy and doesnt want to share with others, you will never know...
12/1 

James Hogg I heard Wargle claim something similar
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TheGabber Tubbs the issues with Wargle started way before inca was even in popre, fyi...
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TheGabber Tubbs By taking over my service, ofcourse inca also took all the problemmakers with it, quite logical tbh...
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TheGabber Tubbs people seem to tend to forget to activate certain parts of their brains, and i admit it happens to everyone including me, ill shed some light on the situation..
People keep thinking that since inca is in control, everyone seemed to come to popre becaus...
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TheGabber Tubbs The plot thickens, even though certain rules in popre state that its not allowed to post personal information (such as facebook things) of anyone, certain troublemakers are allowed to do it now: 

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Re: Gabber, you need to grow up. 
Postby Brandan » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:15 pm 

In case he edits or deletes posts, here an archive.

Also works for people who can't view it because they don't have an Facebook account.

http://www.populous3.info/TheGabber%20Tubbs.pdf
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See how hypocrit some people can be?
12/1 às 12:49 · Gosto

TheGabber Tubbs Lie after lie after lie after more lies: 

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Re: Gabber, you won't get PopRe back. 
Postby [War]Fireproof » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:03 am 

I read through Gabber's Facebook... Here's my response 

I joined this community in December 2006. I played Populous for 7 years before I joined. When I joined, I knew Alacn was the one doing the updates to the MM. To me, it was Alacn's MM. Everyone in the community claimed Alacn created the MM and you only confirmed that Alacn created the MM. When Alacn left, he left the MM to Inca. He actually said, to the entire community, that he left the entirety of the MM to Inca. Inca possessed the source code, the administrative rights and everything was his to do with as he wanted. To me, this sounds like an official exchange of ownership from programmer to programmer. During this time, where was Gabber at? I didn't even know TheGabber existed until around 2009-2010. I have my own reasons why I didn't know until years later.

At first, Inca was struggling with updating this MM and PopRe website. He struggled with the many bugs that followed in the days after Alacn left and the community was shaky, but it was also somewhat entertaining/fun. Inca was despised so much because of all the bugs in the mm and it took eons to get many of them fixed. The amount of work that Inca poured into this community is overwhelming on a level you can't even imagine. I was one of the many people who gave Inca so much hell for all the poo he was trying to do. There were many instances where administration rights were abused and fights breaking out between everyone and Inca. I bet, to Inca, it was a whole new experience. I can only imagine how tough it was programming a matchmaking service with so many people giving you hell and appreciating your efforts so little.

Gabber, you brought Inca to PopRe and like 1/4lb, Alacn and all the other administrators/moderators, you, too, quit. Even if you somehow managed to acquire PopRe and remove Inca, you didn't rightfully earn the work that was done for this community. You stated that you came up with the ideas, that's the same as submitting a feature request to have a glitch removed from Populous, let someone fix it then take ownership for the entire thing. How you've gone about all this is, it's all wrong. You've shown zero gratitude for Inca's work, all of which kept PopRe alive and running while you were off playing "irl". You should be appreciating Inca for maintaining this community because without Inca's help, you'd have 1 less community to play in. You could have returned to an empty community, where many of us have quit, where everyone has moved on with their lives and you could have the option to play alone because you would have been alone. You created a community once before and you can do it again.

All you need is a client, a website and a programmer to do all the work for you. Good luck and don't do anything that will get you into trouble.
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I already contacted alacn, and i am going to contact 1/4lb aswell, with requests to once and for all tell the truth instead of all the lies that you are spreading..
In 2006 i was very well still around and alacn wasnt, alacn already had left a year before that, and he sure as hell didnt simply give all ownership of the MM to inca, what really happened is that me and alacn had a talk because alacn didnt have enough spare time to keep maintaining and updating the matchmaker, which at that time was "owned" by me and him together, so we came to an agreement to let incawarrior "maintain" the matchmaker alongside the website and forums, if I didnt agree on this inca would now still be webmaster and someone else would do the matchmaker updating.
Theres even proof that i was still active from 2006 to 2009, i even continued working on mappack projects untill 2011, as you can see on the downloads page where you find New Worlds 2009 and 2011.
You probably also forgotten about the tournament i organized with real prizes and stuff around 2005-2006 (i forgot the exact date tbh).
I forgive you for not using certain parts of your brains as i already said in one of my previous posts, even i experience it from time to time 

If inca has any guts left he will have to admit that it was ME who gave him the consent to register the domain www.popre.net on his name instead of mine,it was easier that way since inca lives in USA and i live in Holland and wasnt really familiar with registering a .net domain while inca knew exactly how it all worked, and i trusted him fully that he would never make any abuse of that position, maybe you should ask him this  
Inca and me had an agreement to change things in the service only if we both agreed on the subject, when i had my IRL issues and couldnt attend to the service inca broke this agreement since he never contacted me by email or anything at all, if he wanted to keep his promise and have my agreements on changes, he should have just contacted me by email, afterall i was able to visit my hotmail account every few days by using someone else's internet, but i had no option to install the matchmaker so i could not be around in the service personally, this still doesnt mean i passed all ownership to inca, and neither did alacn..

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Shahzad Umer Baig Well gabber, u and inca had same privileges in site and MM too? so when u offered him and he denied u could've demoted him.
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TheGabber Tubbs And thats what i tried, thing is he already got to a point where he could simply "ignore" me and if needed, erase all my efford during the progress, since he claimed full control over everything that alacn and me created, but without our "full" consent, all we did is giving him admin privileges and access to the sourcecode so that he could maintain alacns work, this still didnt give him the right to just do what he pleases, and it sure as hell doesnt make him the owner of the service all of a sudden..
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Shahzad Umer Baig Ur helpless mate now stick with it
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TheGabber Tubbs Helpless? we will see about that, i will not give up for aslong as popre exists and im alive, would you give up on something you created that easily and let other people take credit for everything you spent years on?
12/1 

Shahzad Umer Baig How bout creating another mm and another site? better then inca?
12/1 

TheGabber Tubbs Did you even read the whole discussion?
12/1 

Shahzad Umer Baig Not really?
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TheGabber Tubbs Oh i forgot, ppl tell lies about me and you probably heard their story first in which they now portray me as someone who wants to kill populous...
12/1 

Shahzad Umer Baig not really no one told me bout u anything
12/1 

TheGabber Tubbs Ok sorry then, go read the whole discussion tbh 
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TheGabber Tubbs Plans are already made for a new service...
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TheGabber Tubbs plans were made 15 years ago actually, i just have to re-realize it and erase all the work that inca stole from me, like i said i wont let someone get away with "stealing and banishing me from my own service".. Its called vengeance..
12/1 

Andrew Payne This is Fireproof.

You seem to be getting old and I'd bet your memory is out of sync, kind of like Assassin's Creed where you go back through the memories and change shit. I was very well still around in 2007 and I strictly remember Alacn's last comme...Ver mais

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TheGabber Tubbs Such hypocracy and even more lies, lets just see what alacn and 1/4lb will say about all these things your lying about, i was very well active in 2007 aswell, And inca stated that it was a joke to put the root on the memberlist, but it seems the majority of all people using my service have been blinded by nothing but lies and lies, you simply seem to want to remove me from my own service just like inca, its just not right, but that was expected tbh, people in the lobby nowadays dont seem to know the difference between right and wrong..
Im not even gonna bother looking at all the gibberish you tell ppl about me, ill just wait untill alacn and 1/4lb come here to back up everything i said and show the people what kind of liars you children really are..
12/1 

TheGabber Tubbs I really hope that some day you will get to experience how it feels to loose something you created with so much love, and then the person who took it from you takes all the credit for everything you accomplished, im sure it will leave a sour taste in your mouth aswell, and im also sure that if you really loved the work you did, you would do everything in your power to take it back, and thats your right, even if other people did more work on your project, which isnt even the case here since i did shitloads of work but you refuse to see it, it doesnt simply mean that they can take all the credit for the things you built up.
12/1 

TheGabber Tubbs Removing the founder from his own creation is the worst way of stealing, esspecially if you fully trusted the person who stole it from you.
12/1 

TheGabber Tubbs You can not justify the things that you and inca and other people are doing, ur merely speculating that i never done anything for this service and youre only praising inca as he was around in the time when you ppl "started" playing and according to you i was never around, even though i was, and from these speculations come nothing but lies, fact is inca stole the service, locked me out and now takes all credit, there is no justification for this at all, what you people are doing is simply wrong and unethic, if inca was a man, and you people actually ment all the "lies" than inca should have started his own service using "his" code, all the liars that support him should join him, and leave popre to me, that would be the right thing to do...
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TheGabber Tubbs Right now, inca is nothing more than a selfish greedy thief who cant create his own stuff so he steals it from others and takes the credit 
12/1 

TheGabber Tubbs Everyone who thinks the way you do, should visit and read everything on this page tbh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrepreneurship 
You cant simply deny the facts in that..

Entrepreneurship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Entrepreneurship is the process of starting a business or...
EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG
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TheGabber Tubbs and this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founder 
and also this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ownership
Founder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG
12/1 

TheGabber Tubbs esspecially focus on "Adam Smith stated that one of the sacred laws of justice was to guard a person's property and possessions."
12/1

TheGabber Tubbs fun facts: http://web.onetel.com/~lapinskas/ 
Shows how wrong Fireproof's so called "facts" actually are  
And Incawarrior is only to be found in 1 post, he made a strategy for 1 map, such contribution to creating the service, not...

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Henry Hoek Just how exactly are you the owner, during my prime time I have never ever seen you online, you don't know how to program at all, how would you make any improvements to the lobby?
Sorry if I strike harsh but I have seen WAY less effort from you than Inca the past 8 years, why the sudden "I want to be the owner again" thing?
13/1

TheGabber Tubbs It doesnt matter if i can program or not, its the fact that i founded the "company" Populous Reincarnated, it doesnt matter howmuch programming experience i have or howmuch work i have done, its about entrepreneurship/ownership as i already tried to explain. 

People seem to have either forgotten or simply underestimate all the work i did 15 years ago when i started everything, because of ignorance probably.. 
Most of the current players were not even active at that time yet, about 90% of all "current" players joined the service when incawarrior was most actively working on things, this still doesnt take away the fact that i started the whole "company" and that i am the one who has the saying and responsibility over what happens in the service and who joins the team, inca joined the team in 2002 but only became matchmaker programmer in around 2007, before that time alacn did all the work when it comes to programming.

I still dont understand why people think its ok that someone takes credit for a service he never started, people keep saying i show no grattitude to inca, but trust me i have always been thankfull for his work, its just that the way he "stole" the ownership of the service and locked the original owner out is just very sneaky.
This should never have happened, stealing something that isnt rightfully yours even if you worked hard on it, is just plain wrong.

Just take the following under consideration:
One person starts a business, hires employees to work for him, gets successsfull and still is known as "the owner" of his company since he started and founded it, even though other people did all the work for him.
Would it be correct if one of his employees forcefully takes over all the credit of the company and locks its original owner out of the company and stripping him from all his administration privilleges?
No because the employee simply has no such rights to do so, if he does do it it would be an illegal action, afterall he was just an employee hired to do his job for the owner of the company.
This is exactly what it happening in popre, i started this company about 15 years ago all alone, the first "employee" was 1/4lb, he maintained the website at that time, second emplyee was Alacn, he created the matchmaker for the company, incawarrior was the third to join the company as employee, so i dont know where people came up with the idea that incawarrior is now the rightfull owner, even though I as the real owner, never promoted inca to a position where he is now, the only promotion he ever got in this company was becoming the MM programmer, this still doesnt make him higher ranked than me, the founder and owner.

Just because i had IRL issues and couldnt attend to my service, doesnt mean that i abandoned it, if inca wanted to know if i was dead he could have easily found out by trying to contact me, but he never did.
Instead, he saw an opportunity to take over that what he had been working on, even though he never had the right to do so.
So even with all you people protecting incawarrior, you have actually no idea that youre supporting someone who never actually owned the company, he simply did a hostile takeover, and everone supports him in it since they dont know history.
This is why i have contacted ALACN, 1/4Lb, even cdplayer and i will contact lots of other people who were active in the service years before all you people joined, just to show the facts for once and for all.

I already gave inca the option to copy all the work that HE has done, take it somewhere else, and start his own service, without using the name Populous Reincarnated since thats my copyright, but something entirely made up by himself, but he choose the wrong option and decided to simply "steal" everything and take all credit, erasing the original owner during the process.
I still dont see why many people think that this is ok...
If inca agreed on my proposal, i wouldnt have had any issues with him at all, but since he choose to do it the wrong way, which was a hostile takeover of "my company", i have no other choice but to retake that which belongs to me, even if it takes drastic measures.
Besides, how can people say that i'm a bad person if i try to retake my company, in any way i want, while they justify the bad things that inca did? Its plain hypocrit tbh...
13/1 

TheGabber Tubbs I'm gonna present a list of 3 tasks that inca can do to prevent this whole situation and both me and him can be happy, if he doesnt do this, hes simply a coward and thief, this will also be my last proposal:

1. Inca makes a copy of the whole service, takes it somewhere else, and starts his own "company" under a different name.
2. I keep Populous Reincarnated in its current state, with everything still intact the way it is now, and inca will get credit for all the work he has done.
3. Inca gets all players that want to come with him, i get to keep all the players that want to stay in my service.

This is the only fair solution to the current situation, if inca doesnt take this offer than i rest my case and see no other option than drastic measures...
13/1 

Shahzad Umer Baig Well i agree with ur solutions but lets see if inca will accept the 2nd option is kinda good
13/1 

TheGabber Tubbs besides, this will also be a great solution to the cheating and glitching problem, all the people who cheat and glitch can follow inca to his new service, and all the people who are against cheaats and glitches can use my service, isnt this a beautiful solution to all the problems currently going on in the community? 
People still have the option to choose where they want to go, noone will be forced to change their attitude or anythhing, imo its the best solution for everything....
13/1 

TheGabber Tubbs Why wouldnt he accept the 2nd option? The name Populous Reincarnared comes from me and me alone, noone assisted or worked harder on "thinking up that name".... So i dont see why he would make a problem of that..
13/1 

Shahzad Umer Baig well sorry i just forgot to put commas its like lets see if inca will accept, The 2nd option is kinda good
13/1 

TheGabber Tubbs oh, no problem, and actually i doubt it seeing his past actions are already bad, i dont think he will become reasonable all of a sudden, but we will see... Lets hope he will accept it and all problems will be solved..
13/1 

Henry Hoek Why the fuck would you split up a service that is over 12 years old, you are killing the community really, also, I don't hear the person who "founded" unix bitching about how rich Bill Gates became, some people found things, the others excel at them, you founded it but never showed your face after, Inca has been through everything.
13/1 

Henry Hoek And I really don't want to take sides on this matter, but I think you should just calm down as you are driving the community apart, which Populous barely has already.
13/1 

TheGabber Tubbs You seem to forget that many players have already left the communty because of cheating and glitching being allowed, this isnt worse for anyone, its the best solution ever.
13/1 

TheGabber Tubbs And it isnt me who is driving the comunity apart, the community arent robots, they are humans, they have free will and can make their own choices...
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Henry Hoek Yup, and when admins can't stand their affairs people can't be bitched joining the community.
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TheGabber Tubbs ?
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Henry Hoek What cheats, what glitches, I am oblivious on this one.
13/1 

Henry Hoek I can hardly imagine Inca allowing cheats and glitches tbh.
13/1 

TheGabber Tubbs Well, maybe you should start playing again, and read the forum post made by Stuart Whyte, aka the creator and producer of the Game himself, he clearly stated that "Blast Glitch" and "Dismantle Gltch" are forms of cheating and were never intended when they created the game...
Please, before you fling accusations towards me, you should have a vieuw of what happened in the past, dont just "speculate" things and talk about things you clearly dont know much about, it makes you look dumb tbh..
13/1 

TheGabber Tubbs So you also think its ok that inca just threw me out of the service i once started, and took away all my admin privilleges just because hes lost it and became greedy for no reason?
13/1 

Jonathan Kennedy Incawarrior agreeable dedicates the effort and time to PopRE these days, this fact can't be denied.

However nobody remembers back when Alacn was around that integrity, quality and heirarchy were ultimate priorities for the community.

Never once did Alacn slip up about TheGabber being in charge of the "company".

I remember the switchover when Alacn grew tired of maintaining the matchmaker; the intentions were to transition himself off the project and transfer his role to Inca...

Alacn. Lead programmer of the Populous Reincarnated MatchMaker...
13/1

Jonathan Kennedy And if anyone remembers. TheGabber and I never got along so well. So hopefully that puts things into perspective.
13/1 

TheGabber Tubbs Surely u can admit that the work i did in the past wasnt just nothing at all, as what most ppl who werent around at that time now claim..
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TheGabber Tubbs ppl underestimate the marketing, the promoting, the seeking contact with programmers, creators of the game and everyone else to realize this.
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TheGabber Tubbs inca had absolutely NO role in this at that time...
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TheGabber Tubbs So i just emailed inca with this proposal: 

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I have 3 tasks for you in order to solve the problem between the 2 of us.. 
1. You make a copy of the whole service, take it somewhere else, and start your own "company" under a different name and logo, since these are still in my copyright.
2. I keep Populous Reincarnated in its current state, with everything still intact the way it is now, and you will get credit for all the work you have done.
3. You take all players that want to come with you (aka all the ppl like nici and brandan and all other glitchers and cheaters), i keep all the players that want to stay in my service (people who are against cheats).

This is the only fair solution to the current situation, if you dont take this offer than i rest my case and see no other option than drastic measures...
We can solve this problem as grown ups, or we can fight eachother like children, i choose for the grown up solution
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Now to see what his reply will be....
13/1 

TheGabber Tubbs cdplayer has spoken: 
Re: cdplayer ...
13/1 

James Hogg "i choose for the grown up solution"

Oh for fucks sake.
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TheGabber Tubbs I already stated im not going to just walk away from this situation and let inca have the upperhand, that just isnt an option, i deserve more rights on popre than him, what im offering is very reasonable tbh..
13/1 

Jake McGough If he has the popre and you can't get it, then you'll just be outcast like King Warg, Not saying you're in the wrong, just saying you might be fighting a losing battle and end up not being a part of popre. That being said it does seem as though Inca is destroying poptbs online community which is very sad indeed 
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Populous Reincarnated Source Code available to public.
Download it here http://www.filedropper.com/popre-popmm-sourcecode
Be my guest and use it for any purpose, theres some real cool things you can do with this.
If you have programming experience, and want to be part of the new Populous Reincarnated project, be sure to contact me.
The unofficial service hosted by Incawarrior is not the real populous reincarnated, its simply taken over by him without consent of the real creators, and since incawarrior refuses to reinstate the Original creators of the service, we decided to restart it elsewhere.

 

 

Wilson Ray What's the new project?
31/1 

TheGabber Tubbs first things first, a new matchmaker is in the making, and a website will soon be up and within a couple of months everything will be up and running 
31/1 

Wilson Ray How long till the new km is ready
31/1 

Wilson Ray Mm
31/1 

TheGabber Tubbs no estimate yet, plans are ready but so far we havent made anything yet, we will keep ppl up to date once its w.i.p.
31/1 

Wilson Ray Well good luck man  I can't currently even play pop smh
31/1 

James Hogg Right. I'm sure opening PopRe users to possible hacking of their machines via this source code is the perfect advertisement for them to come join your site.
31/1 

TheGabber Tubbs inca should be experienced enough with programming to find ways to protect them as the pro-programmer he is 
Inca doesnt want to share this, i do, inca is not in the postion of deciding what happens with popre as i already stated, and since he doesnt want to give me back my rightfull position, i can do whatever i want with it 
His service is unofficial as of the decision he made yesterday, which is not accepting me as the rightfull founder of popre, now i have no other choice but to restart the official service somewhere else.
31/1 

Waleed Baig There could be more than just 1 populous community. If you You and Inca keep fighting then there will be no Populous. Remember, open source or not MM is for playing Populous online. 

You can develop your own community if you want, in the end there will be hopefully more players playing Populous again.
31/1 

TheGabber Tubbs You should be happy tbh, i just gave everyone a chance to do the exact same thing as inca is doing; a chance to host your own service.
But unlike inca, you dont have to kick the rightfull owner out of the service the way he did 
31/1 

TheGabber Tubbs By the way, im not expecting anyone who currently uses inca's service to join my service, in fact i dont even want the "majority" to come there, i'm restarting the service to offer a balance between players with common sense, i dont choose sides of people who dont know the difference between right and wrong, and inca's service is filled with ppl like that.
Theres 100's of players who dont play populous on popre at this moment, and they all dont come there because they dont agree with inca's decisions, you may think 60 people online is alot, or maybe 70, but when i was still around there were days that we had 100+ ppl online, i even have a screenshot of 114 people online, im sure once the new popre service is up and running, we will get enough players that will respect our balanced terms..
31/1 

Wilson Ray Gabber send me 20 dollars
31/1 

TheGabber Tubbs lol why?
31/1 

Wilson Ray Inbox me
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TheGabber Tubbs

31/1 

TheGabber Tubbs Good news, Mister Anderson, aka ALACN, will also assist with the new service 
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TheGabber Tubbs Can any of you ask Omkar to contact me please? I dont have his email adress and i have no other way to contact him...
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Shahzad Umer Baig ok sure ill
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Jonathan Kennedy - check which strings need to mask, including "iprequest" reply,
discovered by raz.
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Jonathan Kennedy so. alacn once said the mm would go open source.

 

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Jonathan Kennedy ... seeing my name in there is a bit warming haha